where do you place the level?

[Between Trips]

I always used a carpenters level on the A-frame. Still do with the TT.

[JimmyGator]

Rear center and right side near the front corner.  I also have a torpedo level that can be placed on the frame if I don't trust the fixed levels.

[wavery]

OK guys.......think this through........

Why do we "Level" our campers?

The technical reason is, so that the fridge is as level as possible.

OK...OK....I know that no one is going to use a level inside the fridge every time we set-up. However, wherever you decide to put your permanent levels on your camper, be sure that you level the camper by putting your level in the fridge before installing your levels on the outside of the camper.

One more tip.......if you use those "Stick-on" levels, be sure to screw them on. Don't depend on relying on the double sided sticky tape keeping the level in place. When it gets hot out, that sticky tape has a tendency to slip.

[Between Trips]

Newer fridges can be as much as 3° off level in any direction and still function properly.

[wavery]

Newer fridges can be as much as 3° off level in any direction and still function properly.

True..........sooooo???

[Unstable_Tripod]

I level for the fridge of course, but also for the door and finally, because I don't like to sleep "uphill", "downhill' or slanted sideways.

[JimmyGator]

OK guys.......think this through........

Why do we "Level" our campers?

The technical reason is, so that the fridge is as level as possible.

As well as being sure the air conditioner condensation water drips to the side I want it to... 

[rabird]

With neither a fridge nor an air conditioner, I eyeball it (sans level) trying to keep the nose a tad low due to sink drain location.
If wise A nephews/kids are along, they use whatever is available to measure (on the roof or bumper) what might be needed under a tire for side to side level.

3° over 65" (tire track) is more than 3", ain't it? That's a lot off level! I guess not so much for tent campers.

[Campingnights]

My Apache has hard sides and hard bed ends so I have learned that a level setup makes everything raise and go together much, much better.  I suppose that for those of you with canvas it isn't as critical.  Anyway, I have a bubble level permanently attached to the center rear body of the camper and another level permanently attached by the door for fore/aft leveling.  I level the camper before raising the road cover. 

[Between Trips]

Newer fridges can be as much as 3° off level in any direction and still function properly.

True..........sooooo???

So getting the fridge "as level as possible" is not as big a priority as with those of the past. If a newer trailer feels level inside, it is likely level enough for the fridge as well.

[wavery]

Newer fridges can be as much as 3° off level in any direction and still function properly.

True..........sooooo???

So getting the fridge "as level as possible" is not as big a priority as with those of the past. If a newer trailer feels level inside, it is likely level enough for the fridge as well.

I think that you may have missed the point of my post. My point has little to do with leveling the fridge. My post was intended to help people know how to level the camper "properly" before installing exterior levels...........
 

[Between Trips]

Nothing was missed. And I didn't say I disagreed with your methodology.

My point (more an FYI) was that one needn't be too anal about basing the installation of these exterior levels on a newer trailer with a newer fridge ...on the levelness of said fridge, since they can be as much as 3° out of whack and still function properly.

[wavery]

Nothing was missed. And I didn't say I disagreed with your methodology.

My point (more an FYI) was that one needn't be too anal about basing the installation of these exterior levels on a newer trailer with a newer fridge ...on the levelness of said fridge, since they can be as much as 3° out of whack and still function properly.

I understand and you are exactly right. However, one needs to start from the best reference point when placing those exterior levels for that very reason. This has to do with the topic of the post...."Topic: where do you place the level?".

If one were to use the roof of his camper (for example) to level while installing those permanent levels (or on the day of the camp-out) and the roof was off by 1 degree (or probably more), this would be a problem when this person went camping and felt that he was within limits of the 3 degree fridge leveling limit an he was actually off by 5 degrees because his permanent levels were not placed in reference with the fridge but in reference with the roof........follow me?

During construction of the camper, the fridge is leveled to the floor of the camper when it is installed. Reasoning would tell a person that if the fridge is level with the floor, then the floor should be a good point of reference. But wait.....a lot happened between the day that they install the fridge and the day that one goes to install permanent levels on the exterior on his camper. The difference may be minor but it could also be significant.

[rabird]

I think Phil Hartman needs to be resurrected to do some skits on Anal Chef, I mean Anal Retentive PU leveling.
I liked the way he wrapped up the poorly cut pepper for the trash. A classic I remember everytime level is mentioned.

3.5" over 6' is discernible by eye! What about the fried egg runiing to one side? If the fridge is off level to the PU, level the fridge (especially if off the degree mentioned above, highly unlikely) don't level the PU to the fridge, that makes no sense to have slanted floor/bed/counters and a level fridge.

Talk about nit picking, they are hard to see! Straw man

[wavery]

The OP has a question. He has a right to the best answer to his question that we can provide. For one to make the comment, "don't level the PU to the fridge" is simple ignorance and the post is merely there to be argumentative.

A level is a tool.......a tool that is used to "Measure" a degree of level. Any tool is only as good as it's accuracy. If one is to use a measuring device that is inaccurate for it's purpose, it's a useless tool at best and a harmful tool at worst.

Having said that, I agree. I seldom use a level as we usually beach-camp and the sites are usually fairly level. I pull up and good enough is good enough. However, when camping in some mountain sites, the ground is so out of level that using a level is imperative because the surroundings are usually a very deceitful gauge.

My standard rule of thumb is, if I have to start putting leveling blocks under the tires, it's time to rely on a level for accuracy. When using a level, I try to achieve + or - 1/2 bubble. However, if the level is off......1/2 bubble, is no longer 1/2 bubble, is it?